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Los Gatos Parks Chief: ⅔ of Surveys Oppose Off-Leash Dog Activities

Crowd attending meeting Wednesday evening seemed evenly divided over pilot program at three town parks to allow canines to run loose during certain hours of the day.

The second of three public meetings at went well Wednesday to gather public opinion about a pilot program that would allow off-leashed dogs in three parks in Los Gatos.

It went so well, in fact, that members of the Parks and Public Works Department in attendance had trouble quieting a crowd that wanted to be heard.

“How can it work for the entire UK and not work here?” asked one unidentified resident who attended the meeting.

The pilot program that the Town Council agreed to explore during its March 19 meeting would allow dogs off leashes between certain hours of the day in unfenced sections of three of the town's 14 parks: Live Oak Manor, Bachman, and La Rinconada.

Town officials hope feedback obtained during the meetings—a previous one was held April 25 and the last one is scheduled for May 23 at the same location—will help determine what those hours of the day will be and how long the test program will run for.

Some hours that Los Gatos Parks and Facilities Superintendent Christy Wolter gave the audience were 7-9 a.m., with the potential for more hours later in the day between 6-8 p.m.

“Park use overall is pretty minimal at that time of the morning,” said Wolter.

The hope is to minimize confrontations between dogs and residents, if not erase them completely. That's difficult considering there are currently no plans for the areas to be fenced in.

“Once you fence in an area, you can't use it as anything other than [for an] off-leash area. It creates too much of a physical separation area,” said Los Gatos Parks and Public Works Director Todd Capurso.

However, the idea of dogs running loose has not sat well with many residents. Currently, such activity is illegal in town and dogs must be leashed at all times.

Capurso gathered opinions and surveys that the department received and acknowledged that roughly two-thirds of the responses were actually against the pilot program.

Some public concerns included confrontations between dogs and people, the amount of dog waste that would be left behind, and the condensing of dog owners into one specific time of day, making the park very crowded.

“This is a subject that many people are very passionate about, which is why we are conducting a community process, so that we can get that input and make sure that, if we propose something, we take into considerations any concerns and thoughts,” said Wolter.

One audience member, Michael Hayes, wants the pilot to happen. “It's like a marriage. You think you understand everything you're getting into, but you don't know until you're home together,” said Hayes.

By the end of the three public meetings, the plan is for the Los Gatos Park Commission to make a recommendation about the program to the Town Council based on the public input. From there, the recommendation will be brought to the Council on June 18.

However, whether the recommendation favors an off-leash program remains unknown.

Virginia Fiorentino May 10, 2012 at 10:12 am
In La Jolla where I take my dogs, they have parks that have fenced areas for dogs to run loose. They even have areas for large dogs and an area for small dogs. The one park where dogs are allowed to run loose, my little dog was bitten by a loose dog. Also many dogs are friendly and like to run up to say hello to another dog but the other dog may not like the friendly attack and react either in an upset or counter aggressive attitude. When a dog is well trained, they can be called back, but not all dogs are trained to that extent.
John Gorman May 10, 2012 at 11:14 am
I agree that not all owners have the level of control required to handle their dogs off leash. In their mind it's just "cute" that the dog is "free" because they associate a dog with human feelings. I wonder how the dogs of such (most) owners will behave off leash, given the fact that the owners are simply being dragged around by the dogs during an on-leash "walk".
Tim Vantress May 10, 2012 at 12:33 pm
In my family, we have two dogs that LOVE to dart off the moment the front door is open. Almost as if to give us heart attacks intentionally, they head straight for the middle of the street. If I had a concern about un-fenced areas, that would be it. I do understand the want for them, though.
Victoria Doll May 10, 2012 at 12:52 pm
In addition to the comments listed above, which I agree with, I am concerned about the amount of dog waste an off-leash program would incur. The amount of dog waste in this town as it is is unbelievable - along the trails, in the parks, along the sidewalks... and this is with on-leash laws. Worries me what would happen with off-leash laws.
Jack Roper May 10, 2012 at 01:22 pm
Where is the liiability for all this?
Sheila Sanchez (Editor) May 10, 2012 at 01:28 pm
Our headline may imply formal written surveys, which have not been sent used by town officials as they try to gauge public reaction to an off-leash dog program at local parks. What Capurso meant are letters being written to town officials and informal surveys such as asking people to raise their hands in favor or against the proposed pilot program, have shown ⅔ seem against. However, those who are following the issue closely believe the town seems evenly split as of now. We'll see what happens at the next meeting May 23.
Fred Meyers May 10, 2012 at 01:35 pm
whether a dog takes a dump or not does not matter if it is on a leash. it's not like the dogs are gonna poop more off leash.
Jo Webb May 10, 2012 at 02:05 pm
I can't see how any of the proposals affect anyone who doesn't like dogs: hand on heart, how many of the "all dogs are out to eat my child" brigade actually use these parks from 7-9am?? Use them ever, in fact? I walk my dog in Live Oak Park every day, sometimes three times a day (and I ALWAYS pick up, no exception, EVER). There were some familiar faces at last night's meeting and they were mostly dog owners who actually make use the park - regularly. The complainers? Not so familiar. So maybe we deserve a tiny concession? Two hours a day, people!! Live and let live, for goodness sake! And liability remains with dog owners, nothing changes there...
Greg May 10, 2012 at 05:14 pm
I think the 6-8PM times would be a real conflict with kids though (bachman area at least, don't know about your park).
On the poop issue, I think the problem with off-leash is the owner isn't paying as much attention to the dog and if it poops it's not "right there". I don't have a dog now (do have a kid). I picked up after my dog, but I'm not picking up any other dogs poop. I can't understand some people - not a prob in the park, but what's with the people leaving bagged poop on the creek trail?
Kim Daly May 11, 2012 at 03:41 pm
Something that has been circulating in my head and today while walking and running in to friends with their dogs, we were stopped by a gentleman, who posed the question - "Why not turn the Ditto Lane project in to a fenced dog park?" Town owned land, sitting empty. Well??!! I think we all agree we need a dedicated dog park and the majority says, "fenced"!
Kim Daly May 11, 2012 at 04:12 pm
And ask any Animal Control Officer their opinion on an unfenced dog park and their tail does not wag!! A nightmare as one said!
AR May 11, 2012 at 06:07 pm
this was one of the first alternatives i suggested for this otherwise useless lot back when there was organized resistance to its development. it wasn't a very popular suggestion. i still think the lot will inevitably end up being some sort of recreational space
Lu Ann Flechsig May 11, 2012 at 06:16 pm
I disagree. Yes the dogs are going to need to poop whether or not they are on leash. But, usually, a dog on leash walks along a trail or sidewalk and that is not an area that children are likely to try to play in. However, sharing a lawn area that for a few hours a day, will essentially be a dog park for them to play, poop and pee (as they should be able to) and then say the other hours will be used for children to play and picnic or whatever, is really unsanitary. I wouldn't take my kids in to play or picnic in a fenced in dog park, why would I want to play or picnic in an area that is used for the same purpose every day? If you look up contagious diseases, it's really not good for children, who most like to put their hands in their mouth, to be sharing such an area. I wholeheartedly want to see a dedicated area that is fenced in, strictly for the dogs to play to their hearts content without worry of roundworms, salmonella, and e.coli to mention a few.
Lu Ann Flechsig May 11, 2012 at 09:48 pm
Jo, I understand your love for your dogs, as I have always had dogs myself. But I don't think of you as being a complainer. I can understand your desire to have what you want and need but I don't think it's fair or kind of you to call everyone else a complainer. We all think we have legitimate concerns that need to be addressed. And the moms that attended the first mtg, did not say dogs were out to eat their children, but that their children had actually been knocked down by loose dogs in the park. That's a legitimate concern that needs to be addressed. Maybe not your dog, but somebody's dog/dogs did that. The people complaining about the poop situation being unacceptable have a legitimate gripe. Even though I'm sure your group is very good about this, as a matter of fact, more than good since some of you take to cleaning up after other people, it's still a problem that needs to be addressed.
Steve May 12, 2012 at 01:54 am
lets make the dogs wear diapers

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